since much of the #web3 chatter is #blockchain and #commercial minded -
i felt encouraged #activitypub might offer different solutions.

however, the clip is from a few years back..
any
ideas of contemporary developments??

@ahanon it's refreshing to see how web3 is pushing for the decentralization that was part of web1 whether it be blockchain or federated networks.

@purplepeopleeater
hummm..
decentralised promises are innate with the internet since early inceptions - eg bush, and arguably prior -
as we know, the promises turned to dust and, tbh imho there's a BIG diff between fed nets and blockchains.

the latter have commodification built in, and so long as it is the case, the claim for decent on blockchains is like saying any currency is distributed - while forgetting the gardeners that keep the park well Locked IMHO.
:(

@ahanon @purplepeopleeater The way I see it, blockchains are a tool for distributed networks(validated tamper-proof distributed storage) and incentive-driven decentralized applications.
I don't see comodification as inherent to blockchain systems, it's a way to address the incentive problem. Not all applications require an incentive to function, but some do, or at least to scale.

@drpyser @purplepeopleeater

Well.. I wonder how "incentive driven" operates in #blockchain oriented networks, since it seems of a narrow and a particular kind -
that of turning all into numerical value-able actors with prices that negate qualities.
Consider this exchange between us -
hopefully, we are both incentivised precisely by that which escapes valuation.
However
if one of us Knew
or suspected that
the other get some kind of, say, money -
will we have a similar exchange dynamic quality?

@ahanon @purplepeopleeater human interaction is its own incentive. Monetizing human interaction may have perverse effects, indeed. Not seeing a need for a crypto token there.

Consider filecoin & IPFS. You can choose to participate in the IPFS network, and replicate & serve data for free.
But if you want to make sure important data is sufficiently replicated at all times, you need to provide an incentive. With filecoin, hosting and serving data on IPFS is rewarded.

@drpyser @purplepeopleeater

well.. one person's reward comes at the expense of another's freedom through prioritising monmetised data.

i hoped an internet future could do better than feudalism.. perhaps internet N -
or indeed, when we get past digitilised electro-networks? ;)

@ahanon @purplepeopleeater I don't see how this limits freedom. I don't see how this implies feudalism.

It's a basic economic problem. Providing internet services has a cost. That cost has to be absorbed. By rewarding service providers proportionally to their service, not only is the cost absorbed but people can be incentivized to provide a better service and make a livelihood out of their service (if it is valued enough).

How do you think it should work?

@drpyser @purplepeopleeater

hummm... we have to leave the economy aside here imho

i think its a technology question that #blockchain fails in it's promise.
there's no way to come both distributive and monetised - something will have to give. Since we are talking about political entities that do business for the company's profit rather than the social -
its hard to see past another batch of technologies failing their humans.
kind of sad, no?

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@ahanon @purplepeopleeater

I'm not talking about "the economy". I'm talking about "economy" as a natural social phenomenon in human societies.

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