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hey , I'm looking to create a collection of social sustainable VPS providers

some characteristics:
- green energy
- worker owned
- organic growth
- opensource
- NO hyperscale

some examples:
- webarchitects.coop/
- capsul.org/
- hcoop.net/
- iocoop.org
- greenhost.net/

please send me more!

@jonatasbaldin

Such lists are needed! Would you consider maintaining it as a curated sub-list of the #delightful project?

codeberg.org/teaserbot-labs/de

You can provide it from any forge. I was also considering adding something similar to awesome-humane-tech, but I might also just cross-ref to a good link from the Related Awesomeness section.

github.com/humanetech-communit

@humanetech hey peeps, I'm thinking heheh

I'll probably open an `awesome-sustainable-vps` or something related somewhere and link it back to `awesome-human-tech` and the project

what do you think?

@jonatasbaldin

If it is a good awesome list I can link to it from awesome-humane-tech. But I have no appropriate #delightful list to link from.

The delightful project has 'stricter' rules than awesome project on GH in that only #foss #OpenScience and #OpenData resources are allowed. OTOH less strict is that the list does not have to reside on Github.

Here's the top-level awesome list (with the additional downside that it is ad-sponsored): github.com/sindresorhus/awesom

@humanetech

might not be a good fit for delightful, since some host providers don't follow a strict environment, but I'll link it under the awesome-human-tech!

hope to get a pull request next week there ✨

@jonatasbaldin

Yeah, but in some cases in delightful there can be an exception. There's already one curated sublist delightful-funding, where I allow this.

The argument here is that funding is the Achilles Heel of most #foss projects, and they should have a broad range of options to choose from, weigh the pros and cons for themself. (I'll probably feature the best resources more prominently)

codeberg.org/teaserbot-labs/de

Something similar might apply to you, should you make it a #delightful list.

@humanetech thanks for all the comprehensive list and resources, I’ll check them over the weekend!

also, thanks for taking the time, it’s been my first weeks on the and I’m very happy to fine connections like you ❤️

@jonatasbaldin thanks to you too. It is always nice to see people spending time on projects like yours. And having you on the Fediverse 🤗

@jonatasbaldin hey, great list you have already. Very nice!

I have merged on Awesome #HumaneTech .. github.com/humanetech-communit

The #delightful PR is more involved. I think it can be a delighful list given the criteria for inclusion you documented. But then it needs to comply to the Delightul format.

This would mean renaming the repo to delightful-sustainable-vps among others.

Note: 'delightful' as name was deliberately chosen, as it expresses more than just 'awesome' (e.g. useful, needed).

@jonatasbaldin if you would rename, then the list would also automatically become part of the deliciously delightful.club/ website just started by @yarmo

@humanetech @yarmo

why not!? just renamed the project and the content of the PR for the Delightful project ✨

@jonatasbaldin @yarmo

Woot! The PR has been merged :D

Welcome to the #delightful project. Note that there are a couple of things to change to the list. I've described them in the PR comment.

Now you can also PR to delightful.club and after things are ready, we'll send some toots around :)

@humanetech sometimes, just sometimes, toots work as a decent PR ersatz 😉 in other words, the sustainable VPS list has just been added to the delightful.club website :)

@jonatasbaldin

@yarmo @jonatasbaldin

Ha ha.. it works even cross-repo..

In what #delightful database category shall we place #IceFireDb?

github.com/IceFireDB/IceFireDB

Suggesting a new one.. see repo issue.

@hbenjamin that is indeed the repo we are talking about :) but @humanetech has a gift for finding niche databases and every time, we need to fit them in the right category. Or, like this time, make a new category!

@jonatasbaldin

@humanetech again, I'll never cease to be amazed with how you find all these exotic databases 😅

Yeah, "special purpose" sounds good to me.

No idea what #icefiredb is about yet, will read tomorrow with a clearer mind!

@yarmo wait for a surprising number of new entries.. I had more of them piled up in browser tabs than I remembered :D

@yarmo @jonatasbaldin

I have added an issue suggesting a slightly larger scope for the list, so that it can also hold providers that host free software packages, if you are open to doing so..

codeberg.org/jonatasbaldin/del

@jonatasbaldin excellent! Been looking to shift to Green Host and trying to find others as well

@deasun me too!

hope to compile a list somewhere and link back to this post :)

@jonatasbaldin

I ordered a VPS with Greenhost during the week & setting it up now. All good.

But also then found this Icelandic crew. I'm using them for FreeDNS but they provide range of services - decent pricing and seems like great ethos

1984hosting.com/

@gert thanks!

couldn't find any information on pricing, is is there somewhere?

@jonatasbaldin I don't think eclipse is commercial. If you are looking for commercial hosters, I cannot help you i'm afraid.

@gert got it, you need to fit their cause and apply, right?

@gert @jonatasbaldin I wish that site didn't use silly animations which Firefox mobile doesn't seem to like. Makes it very hard to read and is utterly pointless

@jonatasbaldin I started a wiki with some of those characteristics for finding EU-based, US-independent cloud providers. eucloud.tech/

@jdaviescoates am I right in remembering you have a list with at least some of these criteria?

@handle yeah, mine was just about being renewable powered, but I like the sound of this list too! My list at ud.coop/ecovps

@petros didn't find anything related to VPS, could you help me out?

@jonatasbaldin mayfirst.coop

we're not great about the green energy aspect yet, but we are slowly working on it.

This post is a good nudge for me to pick up on the research threads I was following before.

comment.mayfirst.org/t/mayfirs

@clayton this seems amazing! is there a VPS option for the members?

@jonatasbaldin @mikael@social.umeahackerspace.se Not sure which of these criteria Tranquility fits, but maybe most?

@jonatasbaldin tilaa.com runs 100% on renewable energy (tilaa.com/en/blog/tilaa-being-), don't seem to chase hyper-scale (they only have two DCs), uses KVM (support.tilaa.com/hc/en-us/art) but the rest of the tooling is apparently proprietary. Not sure about their ownership model either.

(Been using their VPSes for 9 years, but I'm not otherwise affiliated.)

@minoru I hear you. It seems business-as-usual, but a good alternative to the main providers. Thanks!

@claus second one sending me this, 100% on the list :D

@jonatasbaldin hmm i personally would argue that there's nothing sustainable about cryptocurrency, and as such services like capsul that normalize it by accepting payments in it don't qualify

@boringcactus

I agree, I'll actually shoot them an email raising this discussion, see what they think about it.

BTW, I've read before about crypto just fucking up our planet and I agree. I was wondering: is there any *actual good social outcome* from cryptocurrency? i.e a specific coin that doesn't lead to massive networks or something similar?

I don't know that much on the subject :(

@boringcactus just logged into their platform and didn't find the crypto option, although it is describe on the main

@jonatasbaldin hm maybe it'd have to be manually processed as with cash
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